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Comments for https://voteflux.org/2022/04/20/wrongful-deregistration/

By System @system
    2022-04-27 10:40:24.860Z
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      Brent @br3nt
        2022-05-07 23:06:05.460Z

        I just came across your site. The goals of direct democracy are very admirable. It’s disappointing to see that you have just given up. It makes no sense really. The only way to change the system is to be part of the system and change it from the inside. Like swapping to renewables, we need to be complicit in using other forms until the transition is complete. I’m actually really surprised that a legitimate political party would just give up and die. It makes me feel that the AECs decision was actually correct. Weed out the parties that don’t have the stamina to survive.

        1. XMax Kaye -- GitHub @XertroV
            2022-06-22 14:12:20.192Z

            It’s disappointing to see that you have just given up. It makes no sense really.

            It's actually the only rational conclusion. The alternative is equivalent to self-immolation. Why voluntarily fight a losing battle? Why sacrifice one's life in vain? That is what pursuing politics is.

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            Trevor Tighe @trevort63
              2022-04-27 10:40:24.910Z

              I am very sad to see how much the process has broken down your stamina. You have followed your dreams, and now you are feeling defeated. I think that even though the patty has not made it to main stream, the story behind the flux party, which is a shared dream that brought us all together (all those that believe that an issue based democracy has benefits) to give it a go, is a very important one.
              The details of the way that is has failed is the crux of the story.
              Please tell the story of the flux party so that others will see what happened, and therefore also question the result and see a new path way to a better democracy.

              Thanks for making a very significant contribution to a political ideology that I thought was an obvious solution to the rubbish we see happening in out houses of parliament . The Flux party is totally valid, because politics is all about ideology.

              Some bloke named Trevor

              1. XMax Kaye -- GitHub @XertroV
                  2022-06-22 14:09:58.025Z

                  I am very sad to see how much the process has broken down your stamina.

                  Have you read Atlas Shrugged? I think you might learn some useful things from it about when it is worth to persevere and when it is not.

                  Thanks for your kind words.

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                  In reply tosystem:
                  Brent @br3nt
                    2022-05-07 23:16:44.281Z

                    Also, there is no indication that the decision to disband was made using the direct democratic approaches that have been described. It reads like the decision was made simply by the leaders. Surely a decision like that should be up to the party members.

                    1. XMax Kaye -- GitHub @XertroV
                        2022-06-22 14:02:19.346Z

                        Also, there is no indication that the decision to disband was made using the direct democratic approaches that have been described. It reads like the decision was made simply by the leaders. Surely a decision like that should be up to the party members.

                        Your concern is understandable, but this option was unfortunately problematic and not a realistic option.

                        For one, the members of this party with the will and resolve to continue it are already part of the discussion. The decision to accept the imposition of the state -- as such -- wasn't made without consultation with those enduring volunteers (this includes the state secretaries, party agents, etc that have remained as an enduring part of the party's infrastructure).

                        So if we held a poll and ppl voted to continue the party, what then?
                        The leaders of this party do not deserve to be slaves to it, so there should be no obligation there.
                        What about the ppl who step forward to take the reigns who have no experience or understanding of running the party and its operations?
                        Should I just hand them the administrator credentials to the membership database? Should I trust someone with zero experience with 10,000 ppl's personal info? I'm not comfortable with that.

                        So, you do have a point -- it would be nice to have followed DD approaches, but it was not realistic nor would it have lead to a different outcome (but perhaps a more painful one).

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                        Katie Waddell @KatieWaddell
                          2022-05-20 22:30:57.040Z

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                            Sung Jinwoo
                              2022-05-21 03:17:36.892Z

                              I really like your ideas. But I wish you guys would continue trying. Enduring the hardships is a ncessary process of making any major changes to any big system. I hope you can continue to spread your idea gain social media popularity increase your awareness. The master has failed more times than the newbie has tried.

                              1. XMax Kaye -- GitHub @XertroV
                                  2022-06-22 14:03:38.379Z

                                  Enduring the hardships is a ncessary process of making any major changes to any big system.

                                  Unless you're Sisyphus. That's what politics is like.

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                                  Shane Edwards @Shane
                                    2022-05-25 21:45:49.251Z

                                    I read through the AEC decision published on their website. It is very clear in the steps they took and does not seem rigged, as The Party gets to provide the list of 1650 members to be sampled.
                                    All The Party need do is maintain its list of members by periodically asking members to confirm their membership, especially on an aging list. Not saying members should be purged for not confirming, but then The Party will have a shorter list of confirmed members to submit to the AEC.

                                    I don't want Flux to quit. We need to keep trying.

                                    1. XMax Kaye -- GitHub @XertroV
                                        2022-06-22 14:06:51.613Z

                                        "Truth" is not determined by confirmation, but by the enduring absence of criticism in a free market of ideas. (In fact, perfect truth is unobtainable, but some ideas are good enough for our purposes, so that's what counts as "true")
                                        Here is criticism of the AEC's method: https://xertrov.github.io/aec-membership-test-simulator/
                                        Your role, as an independent thinker, is to find the ideas that are as-yet uncriticized (as all the currently best ideas are)